The Raid Demo

[ReiLilith]

Hi.

I read this. And ist interesting for me.

I use this build.
http://aocfeats.com/feat/demo/12c190...9a2c199c81944c

With all AA on Max and FULL T4 Gear.

I use Cacodemon and Ring of Fire.

Rotation is (chaotic blast if not in raid)-> shock -> hellfire strike -> WoF -> 2 times FoG -> WoF and so on all instants if ready and shockblast if Counter is on 5. (chaotic blast if ready and if not in raid)

Thats all. i never use any pacts except the one wich restores mana if i low on mana.

After tons of dmg log testing on strawman i ever make lower dps with pacts.



Before i get T4 Equip i use other builds but now after testing in many raids is that the only way for me to do MAX DMG.

!Never real Manaproblems ( going out of Mana is a killer for dmg log raid dps)
!Max -Hate there is no other way to do max dmg. even with this build a full t4 tank cant handle the max dmg.
!Heal from pet is important for sw in my opinion
!1 Point in improved WoF is enaugh to hold the incinerate effect on 5
!on bosses like last t4 Boss i Change WoF with bindings


Think! Most Bosses t3-t4 hms are single target.
If you are going t2 u Need all the -hate you can get. and WoF with so many adds bring u easy on parse number one ;-). If you alive (-hate)

In most cases like hms you dont have a full t4 tank.
In most cases full t4 tanks cant tank :-)
So i say again MAX-HATE=MAXDPS.

On Strawman you can set the Points otherwise but it makes nearly nothing. (testet)



Since i use this Build i NEVER see a demo makes more dmg than me. See just two who makes equal dmg on strawman.

On one Strawman i have ca. 2100 dps over the whole 3 minutes. And without buffs from other Players.

If Khaletohep(necro) and i make max dmx on one strawman he dies under a Minute and we both do ca. equal dps.



if anybody has a build or way to play for more dmg please tell me ingame and we try. i ever open for new sights on the demo.

you find me ingame as reililith or as asukha.

PS: sorry for my very bad english. i hope you understand it^^

[Gorod]

Very similar build : http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v6_12c6...9a8e1876819b55

Very effecient and fun and actualy have to use subbtle illusion and planar shift sometimes so not a boring game play Gear almost full T4 ( still missing 1 t4 weapon ) . Single strawman spawned in conarch village :

Using Waves of Flames : 2208 DPS
Using Fires of Gehenna : 2065 DPS

Screen shots :

http://www.imagebam.com/image/344ed9309773755
http://www.imagebam.com/image/47aa41309773852

[Dodgeball]

Very similar build : http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v6_12c6...9a8e1876819b55

Very effecient and fun and actualy have to use subbtle illusion and planar shift sometimes so not a boring game play Gear almost full T4 ( still missing 1 t4 weapon ) . Single strawman spawned in conarch village :

Using Waves of Flames : 2208 DPS
Using Fires of Gehenna : 2065 DPS

Screen shots :

http://www.imagebam.com/image/344ed9309773755
http://www.imagebam.com/image/47aa41309773852

How much of a difference does feating into Fluidic Fires and ammassed flames make for you dps wise on a strawman? I have never feated those buffs and can still do 2K dps almost every time on a strawman, sometimes spike to 2.1K with crit and mgc dmg pots. My spec for max dps and pvp, use the same spec for almost everything outside of t4.

http://goo.gl/52jmEI

[Khaletohep]

Personally, I'd switch Fires of Gehenna for Shockstrike. At least with my button smashing speed, latency and so on, the rotation is smoother with Shockstrike.

With a Shockstrike rotation, I can use WoF whenever it's not on cooldown. That doesn't work out for me with FoG. Also, the buff from Amassed Flames tends to run out if you use WoF.

[Suctum]

Personally, I'd switch Fires of Gehenna for Shockstrike. At least with my button smashing speed, latency and so on, the rotation is smoother with Shockstrike.

With a Shockstrike rotation, I can use WoF whenever it's not on cooldown. That doesn't work out for me with FoG. Also, the buff from Amassed Flames tends to run out if you use WoF.

You all have some funny ideas. As long as you have 1,400+ magic damage your spec does not really matter except for getting things like Overload and Earth Recharge to keep up mana.

Your still going to do 2k dps as long as you can press buttons, who cares if you squeeze out an extra 25 here or there micro managing all this meta game.

Now for the person in less than pve t3.5 armor, doing over 2k dps, I would want to know what they are doing, because that's the person to be asking. (No, I'm not referencing myself, just saying someone doing that would be the pro.)

[Gorod]

How much of a difference does feating into Fluidic Fires and ammassed flames make for you dps wise on a strawman? I have never feated those buffs and can still do 2K dps almost every time on a strawman, sometimes spike to 2.1K with crit and mgc dmg pots. My spec for max dps and pvp, use the same spec for almost everything outside of t4.

http://goo.gl/52jmEI

I just use them as filler feats insted of taking detonation / backdraft (only usefull for trash kb betwin imp and zodiac so no biggy ) and on ranged fights when nuking with fires of gahenna its a minor dps boost so why not take it As for dps on strwaman the biggest limiting factor i feel like its mana usage , should be fun to retest one day with 50 silver or gold mana pots and non general tree build i am sure 2500+ is very doable . And i agree , it is fun to use it outside t4 also , i went to do a warmonks pug with it and ended up actually off tanking with my demo successfuly , no spellweaving and pulling agro in rof , it ended up like this : i do waves of flame get insta agro from dt , take 2-3 hits and stop , dt takes agro back and so on before it was dead , poor guardian tank we had was out of rotation lol . An interesting observation about dps while SW'ing is fun to see 3-3.5K effective dps while crit buff from SW is on ,then dropping down to 2k and under when having to drop out of sw to reapply mana pots , sadly soon to be taken out of game by funcom with conqs and dt's being nerfed , especialy on low magic resist bosses i dont see how they going to hold agro against that kind of fire power with severe vom nerf and conqs already struggling as it is

http://www.imagebam.com/image/e1c541310002619 ( time chart graph from waves of flame parse )

p.s. : very curious what necros are capable of on straw man as a benchmark tool

[Shax84]

The unreliability of spellweaving on a Demonologist is the achilles heel when trying to produce a good straw man parse. It depends if your Ether Drain stacks up, or if it doesn't proc at all, if you get Demonic Payment while Pact of Archfiend is up...

Did a few straw man parses on my Demo but the highest I could get was 2100 in a FoG / WoF build and had to hold back because of pacts usage while Demonic Payment procced.

[Dodgeball]

You all have some funny ideas. As long as you have 1,400+ magic damage your spec does not really matter except for getting things like Overload and Earth Recharge to keep up mana.

Your still going to do 2k dps as long as you can press buttons, who cares if you squeeze out an extra 25 here or there micro managing all this meta game.

Now for the person in less than pve t3.5 armor, doing over 2k dps, I would want to know what they are doing, because that's the person to be asking. (No, I'm not referencing myself, just saying someone doing that would be the pro.)

Doing 2K dps on a strawman was doable since having full Khitai gear, when I had Just T3 gear it was 1.6-1.7 max.

[Dodgeball]

Personally, I'd switch Fires of Gehenna for Shockstrike. At least with my button smashing speed, latency and so on, the rotation is smoother with Shockstrike.

With a Shockstrike rotation, I can use WoF whenever it's not on cooldown. That doesn't work out for me with FoG. Also, the buff from Amassed Flames tends to run out if you use WoF.

That's what I normally do, use shock strike and waves of flame build, however using FoG with Bindings/waves is better dps if you can controll your mana. Easy 2.2K dps on a strawman if you can keep your mana above 1K for last 30 secs of a parse, which is hard for me. I know its irrelevent to what kind of build to use when dps is allwys hovering around 2K dps, just looking for fresh play styles to keep me interested.

[Khaletohep]

As long as you have 1,400+ magic damage your spec does not really matter except for getting things like Overload and Earth Recharge to keep up mana.

I agree with that. Too much micromanagement, too much stat delving may improve DPS in a test situation, but doesn't really help your raid performance. Ease of use is a valid concern for raiders in my opinion, as most bosses don't really give you the opportunity to spend five minutes DPSing.

However, the builds I put into the guide are, in my opinion, easy enough to use.

I do not agree with equipment being all that important, however. In my experience, the player's skill / determination / agressiveness are more of deciding factor than having 1400 magic damage or 1200 magic damage. As long as a certain basic level of equipment is present, a lazy player won't outclass an excellent player (like Reililith, who posted earlier - hard to beat an expert like him, even if he'd be holding himself back).

For a beginner, don basic crafted gear or even just a crafted Torment robes set, switch to build #1 and get busy on your 1 and 2 keys (Shockstrike/Shock).

P. S.: At last had the opportunity to play my Demo in a raid situation again last week after some time. Hell, the class still rocks hard.